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PostSubject: Obama supporters aim to outflank NRA on guns   Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:39 pm

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Posted on January 18, 2013 at 4:04 PM
Updated today at 4:07 PM
WASHINGTON (AP) — Supporters of President Barack Obama's gun-control proposals are planning a methodical, state-by-state campaign to convince key lawmakers that it's in their political interest to back the effort.
But it will require overturning two decades of conventional wisdom that gun control is bad politics. And the National Rifle Association seems confident it won't work.
Fifty or so gun-control groups, labor unions and others are working together to go after lawmakers — including moderate Democrats in the Senate and House Republicans in districts won by Obama. These lawmakers will be lobbied by constituents to support Obama's plans.
The NRA, in turn, is activating its base of supporters to oppose the Obama proposals.

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PostSubject: Re: Obama supporters aim to outflank NRA on guns   Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:43 pm

And the adventure begins all over again! We are going to see an assault on gun owning and shooting rights as we have never seen before! Yet Little Hitler continues to have his family protected by an unknown number of armed security guards while the rest of the country - his subjects - do not have that luxury and have to fend for themselves. Arrogant self serving POS!!! TWIT!~!! Never int he history of our country have we seen such arrogance and defiance for what made this country strong!! I believe the time is growing short for what is left of this country and it will not matter how much money we owe to others nor what they owe us! IT will all come to an end much quicker than i ever believed it could! And all because of this POS in the WH!!! JMHO!!

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PostSubject: Re: Obama supporters aim to outflank NRA on guns   Sat Jan 19, 2013 4:59 pm

Again you said it all. He is putting us all down a very tragic and dangerous road. He has to be the biggest POS ever. Although there was Germany, Russia, Rome and others. All did not last for too long.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama supporters aim to outflank NRA on guns   Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:03 pm

Little Hitler will get his before it is all over. It may not come quick enough for me but it will come!!! TWIT!!!

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PostSubject: Re: Obama supporters aim to outflank NRA on guns   Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:53 am

Good things come to those who wait. GGG I took this from a commenter on a military site during a gun grab discussion. It is lengthy but I thought it interesting.

Just Wondering... Mind Control, Not Gun Control Monday, January 21st, 2013 By: Jack Mullen Newspeak was a term coined by George Orwell, which he said was created to “provide a medium of expression for the world-view and mental habits” of the ruling elite and further “to make all other modes of thought impossible.“ Subcategories of newspeak included carefully crafted words created entirely and specifically for the purpose of a political agenda. According to Orwell, category ‘B’ words “consisted of words which had been deliberately constructed for political purposes.” These ‘B words’ often contain slogan like compound words creating snappy, happy conscious mind impressions while, at the same time, creating a subconscious mind impression containing contradiction; presenting the mind with a crisis of thought leading to confusion and anesthetization of critical thought. Critical thought being necessary to pull apart a tangled mess of contradictory messages and meanings. One such phrase coined as a slogan-word is ‘gun control’. Gun control is a simple expression designed to ‘disarm’ critical thinking skills. ‘Gun control’ is phrase slogan-word which doesn’t map to a single definition, but rather maps to an endless parade of meanings, defocusing the conscious mind and tiring the unconscious mind. Gun-control literally has a dozen or more meanings centering on the word control, as in controlling the potential gun owner in such as way as to prevent gun ownership. A few of the meanings of gun-control are : Gun Registration – Collecting information on firearms and owners while tacitly re-defining ownership to mean ‘registered owner’; registration is now part of the definition of ownership. Gun Licensing - Gun registration, plus accepting the idea that in order to ‘legally’ own (with registration) a gun, you must also accept the fact that it is illegal to own a gun unless it is licensed. Licensing temporarily grants immunity from the punishments of owning a gun illegally; however, the immunity is short lived and may be renewed only after a fee is paid to the government for the license. This fee and criterion, of course, are subject to change. Enumerating the list of meanings for gun-control would surely put the reader to sleep, but for purposes of this article, I’ll mention a few others. Gun control can also mean or include as part of the meaning: conceal carry ‘permits’, background checks, ‘safe storage’ requirements, limits on the number of guns that can be ‘owned’, controls on ammunition and on and on. The point being that gun-control actually prevents – permanently, by your own permission – the right to ever OWN a gun. Ownership as defined in Blacks Law Dictionary, first edition, as: The complete dominion, title, or proprietary right in a thing or claim. The ownership of a thing is the right of one or more persons to possess and use it to the exclusion of others. Using this definition of ownership you see that it is not possible to “own” a gun if one tacitly or formally agrees to any sort of ‘gun control’ because gun ‘ownership’ is predicated on terms and agreements (contracts) that give rise to third party claims on your property. Using language to control human thought is not a new idea as it has been done and perfected for thousands of years. Equally perfected over the same period are skills of recognizing attempts of deceivers and psychopaths to control and otherwise enslave thoughts. ‘Armed’ with skills and knowledge of mind control (two words each referring to their own unmodified definitions) people can take back their power and liberty. Examples of mind controllers are those that present arguments using false presumptions about context. For example when CNN’s Piers Morgan asked breitbart.com’s Ben Shapiro (01/10/2013) : Why does any civilian in America NEED an AR-15? Shapiro, doing a great job of moving Morgan back on subject and detangling Morgan’s attempt to associate the NRA with posited evils done by ‘assault rifles,’ another newspeak term, failed to stop Piers from pretending that in America people are ‘allowed’ freedoms consistent with some unnamed panel or body of do-gooders that can, when required, decide something or some action is not in our best interest. In other words, Morgan was implying the United States of America operates as a political democracy and by answering questions framed in this type of pseudo-context, Americans are tacitly agreeing this nation of independent States with Republican governments are actually democracies. Democracy derives its meaning from the Greek word demos, meaning crowd; crowd rule, or in modern terms, mob rule. True democracy is a favorite form of government for thugs and tyrants wishing to control and enslave, because the ‘crowd’ is so easily manipulated, bribed, frightened and otherwise herded. In a true democracy it would be correct to ask “Why does anyone NEED an AR-15?” because all rights are in a flux of consensus; a fluid state of constant change, depending on how the crowd will ‘vote ‘ at any given time. Therefore, in a true democracy the nameless, non-responsible crowd can decide you do not NEED any particular thing you might want to have. In a true democracy there can be no ownership because rights, including property rights, are subject to vote. The vote naturally can take place in real time yielding the purest form of mob rule – the liquid flux of consensus. Although only marginally better, a Republican form of government relies on process, due process defined and protected in a document, the supreme law of the land, called a Constitution. The states each have constitutions and as part of an agreement among the states there exists a Supreme Constitution limiting the actions of the Federal Government and ensuring the state governments are Republican. The constitutions of the various states and the Federal government recognize citizens of the states as sovereign, and the governments have only limited powers and authority to represent the Citizen in a strictly limited capacity. In a Constitutional Republic property rights exist as limitations on governments right to take property; again a due process is required before property can be appropriated. All of these constitutions expressly provide their respective governments with limited enumerated powers and they also expressly delegate all other rights to the people. Formally, certain rights are singled out for the expressed purpose of highlighting their importance; among those singled out is the right to keep and bear arms. This right and others cannot be infringed or abrogated by any law lessor than the Supreme Law of the Constitution. In fact, the Supreme Court enshrined this idea in the case of Marbury vs Madison in 1803. The notable unanimous decision of the case was conclusion that “Laws repugnant to the Constitution are void”. The meaning of void from Black’s Law Dictionary is: Null; ineffectual; nugatory; having no legal force or binding effect; unable, in law, to support the purpose for which it was intended. Therefore, restricting gun ownership through gun control is in violation of the second amendment to the Constitution and is therefore an unconstitutional law which “has no legal force or binding effect”. Before moving on to the real reason the government and their masters are trying to disarm Americans, I want to point out mind control is real and the concepts put forward by Eric Blair, the real name of George Orwell, were written as a warning and also to offer knowledge as how to identify mind control and avoid being deceived and harmed by the effects of this tactic. Newspeak in terms of gun ownership include mind controlling phrases such as ‘reasonable gun control’ , ‘sensible gun control’, ‘intelligent gun control’, ‘reasonable restrictions on guns’. These phrases and others are used as tools to disarm the mind and to place the thinker into a trance like state of tacit agreement. For example the word reasonable is something we have all come to understand to mean something the opposite of which is unreasonable. Black’s Law Dictionary defines reasonable: Agreeable to reason; just; proper. Ordinary or usual. Black’s defines ‘reasonable act’ : Such as may fairly, justly and reasonably be required of a party. So, by hearing and assimilating the phrase ‘reasonable restrictions on guns’ or ‘reasonable gun control’ the mind is being controlled by the use of the modifier reasonable; reasonable means just, proper, ordinary and usual. By tacitly assuming that gun control is reasonable we have accepted a catalog of definitions for gun control and we have effectively agreed to give up the right to own guns – period. The disarmers also do the same trick when they associate a word such as assault with the word rifle. We all know assault is bad and Black’s confirms our thinking by defining assault: An unlawful attempt or offer, on the part of one man, with force or violence, to inflict a bodily hurt upon another. Here again we have newspeak and mind control. By placing the word assault in front of rifle, the disarmers have attempted to associate ‘an attempt or offer, on the part of one man with force or violence, to inflict a bodily hurt upon another’ with an inanimate object called a rifle. A rifle cannot inflict bodily hurt upon another by itself. It CANNOT. A rifle is a rifle, a tool, an implement; it cannot be attributed with properties of a man. Remember, if the intent were to explain something about the type of rifle, we would have been able to discern that by the modifier. Perhaps automatic rifle, that works, or single shot rifle, or semi automatic rifle, all of these words are valid, but not assault rifle. After all, any rifle used by a man to harm another man would constitute a man assaulting another. So in this case you can see the intent is to deceive and use mind control to make the word rifle have properties that it just cannot have. If the government would deceive you by offering the newspeak word ‘assault rifle’ in their disarming explanation, would your trust them to disarm you, should you? Why Governments Disarm Citizens History shows without exception that governments are corruptible and over time become tyrannical. Americans must accept this as truth or they will never have freedom and liberty. History also provides examples of peoples disarmed by their governments. Gun control was implemented for ‘reasonable’ purposes in : Ottoman Turkey, 1915-1917, results : 1.5 million Armenians murdered Soviet Union, 1929-1945, results : 20+ million civilians murdered * the number has recently been updated to include up to 60 million Nazi Germany 1933-1945, results: 20 million civilians murdered Nationalist China, 1927-1949, results: 10 million civilians murdered Red China, 1949-1976, results: 35 – 60 million civilians murdered Guatemala 1960-1981, results 200,000 civilians murdered Uganda 1971-1979, results: 300,000 civilians murdered Cambodia 1975-1979, results: 2 million civilians murdered Rwanda 1994 , results 800,000 Tutsi people murdered *source, “Death by Gun Control” see below In each of these cases, and there are others, the governments only asked for ‘reasonable and sensible’ restrictions on guns including: Gun permits Government list of owners Ban on sales and ownership of certain weapons Registration Licensing Bans on sharp tools Photo ID with fingerprints
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PostSubject: Re: Obama supporters aim to outflank NRA on guns   Sun Jan 27, 2013 6:35 am

I do not support anything further than what is being done right now! I also continue to hope we will get rid of the restrictions that are in place now!!! Wishful thinking I believe!!!

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PostSubject: Re: Obama supporters aim to outflank NRA on guns   Sat Feb 02, 2013 4:07 pm

I guess I feel the same way. everyone has been very qiet on what has happened since the POS kept his so called job.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama supporters aim to outflank NRA on guns   Sun Feb 03, 2013 7:40 am

The more he digs in and pushes for more gun control the more the silent majority is going to rise up and bite him in the arse!!! I ain't but several others will!! I am more picky about what i put in my mouth!!! LAMO!!

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PostSubject: Re: Obama supporters aim to outflank NRA on guns   Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:12 am

I imagine that there are many that do not have the reserve that you and I have had to muster up for this crap.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama supporters aim to outflank NRA on guns   Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:33 am

And that muster will be tested before this mess is over!! TWIT!!

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PostSubject: Re: Obama supporters aim to outflank NRA on guns   Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:05 pm

Could be.......
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PostSubject: Re: Obama supporters aim to outflank NRA on guns   Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:33 pm

I think so!

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