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PostSubject: 9mm Luger vs 9mm Parabellum   Sat Apr 24, 2010 12:37 pm

I have been TIVO'ing a new show I recently noticed on "The Sportsmans Channel" called "Handguns" and this morning I watched the first episode and it left me asking a question.
They were doing a comparison of the performance characteristics of the SA XD in 9mm Parabellum vs. the Glock 19 9mm Luger. To be honest they confused me with this statement because while I've heard of 9mm Parabellum I was unaware that there was a specific ammo for it because I thoght that phrase was relative to the rifling in a handgun.
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PostSubject: Re: 9mm Luger vs 9mm Parabellum   Sun Apr 25, 2010 8:04 am

VV. Luger, Parabellum, 9x19 and 9mm NATO are all the same round. Just called differently by different companies or people.

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PostSubject: Re: 9mm Luger vs 9mm Parabellum   Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:19 am



What's the Difference Between 9mm Luger and 9mm Parabellum?

By Russ Chastain, About.com Guide

Question: What's the Difference Between 9mm Luger and 9mm Parabellum?

What is the difference? Lots of folks have wondered about that. And there are lots of other 9mm cartridges around, too, which can be confusing.
Answer: The short answer is this: None. They are simply two different names for the same cartridge. And 9x19mm is another name for it - as is 9mm NATO.

Whether you call it the 9x19mm, 9mm Luger, 9mm Parabellum, or 9mm NATO, it's the same cartridge. Same size, that is. Some military ammo is loaded hotter, and/or with harder primers, for use in submachineguns. Such ammo should be avoided for use in your average 9mm pistol.

Now, I don't mean to oversimplify things here. There are a host of other 9mm cartridges, which are not the same. These include the 9mm Action Express, 9mm Bayard Long, 9mm Browning Long, 9mm Centerfire (which is actually a shotgun shell, if you can believe it), 9mm Makarov, 9mm Ultra, 9mm Winchester Magnum, just to name a few.

It's worth reiterating that the cartridges in the preceding paragraph are not the same as the cartridge which is the subject of this article, which many shooters refer to simply as "the nine," or "nine millimeter." Those cartridge names, again, are 9x19mm, 9mm Luger, 9mm Parabellum, and 9mm NATO, and they all describe the same cartridge.

No entry on this old cartridge would be complete without mention of the claim that "parabellum" means "prepare for war." Regardless of what you call it, this little round has been used in many armed conflicts all over the world, with its main advantage being that you can cram a bunch of them into a given gun.

This cartridge undeniably lacks the knockdown power of the delightful old 45 ACP military pistol round, but you can sling more of them downrange between reloads, and carry more of them with you while you're fighting your way through the crud.

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PostSubject: Re: 9mm Luger vs 9mm Parabellum   Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:22 am

I know I have fired Luger and Parabellum and a couple marked only 9x19 which I though was kind of strange, from my pistols, but have never found any 9mm Nato.

Makes one wonder if the Nato rounds are hotter than their civi counterparts.
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PostSubject: Re: 9mm Luger vs 9mm Parabellum   Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:07 am

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I know I have fired Luger and Parabellum and a couple marked only 9x19 which I though was kind of strange, from my pistols, but have never found any 9mm Nato.

Makes one wonder if the Nato rounds are hotter than their civi counterparts.


In my experience NATO rounds are more enemy friendly than any civilian PP ammo. In Vietnam we used the 7.62 NATO round which were FMJ but the NVA was using JHP's in their AK-47. They didn't like the rules but we were forced the NATO round and it created a lot of hostility because our guys, including myself, were getting tore up by the JHP's.

I've been investigating a new barrel for my G19 and some replacements are designated "Parabellum".
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PostSubject: Re: 9mm Luger vs 9mm Parabellum   Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:23 pm

Should work fine then.

My next buy when and if I can swing it will probably be the XD Service model Ported, and I want to get and extra unported barrel to swap out in it.

As for the nato rounds. It is just like our government to kiss enemy ass and say screw our troops.

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PostSubject: Re: 9mm Luger vs 9mm Parabellum   Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:07 pm

Freedom,
Do you have a specific reason for wanting a ported barrel & slide?
I ordered my Glock 19 in the "C", compensated version, & it's the same thing. My reasoning was I thought it might discount the recoil a bit but after I got it I began to understand the down side. Using a ported gun in your home after dark will likely leave you unable to fire a second round because your vision can't recover that quickly.
Just today I bought a replacement barrel from Wolf and it works better than the "C" barrel in my opinion. It even looks better because it's bare SS and sticks out the front a bit.
I'm just offering up my experience to you in case you haven't considered the down side.

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PostSubject: Re: 9mm Luger vs 9mm Parabellum   Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:55 pm

Not particularly. I like Springfield XDs, and I like the way the ported XD Service model looks, having it with the non ported barrel would allow me to shoot it ported at the range and unported and carry it unported as a CCW.

I want, would like, some day I hope to get. Probably not any time soon, unless I win the lottery.
My first need is to get some 9mm stocked back up because I have used up what I had and have nothing to use at the range.

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PostSubject: Re: 9mm Luger vs 9mm Parabellum   Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:57 pm

Also, I am out of town, and logged in on an open wifi. I do not see your picture on your posts. It was there the last time I logged in at home, is it still there now?

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PostSubject: Re: 9mm Luger vs 9mm Parabellum   Mon May 03, 2010 4:51 am

Yep his picture is still there, where ever you are they must have filters that are blocking it out.
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PostSubject: Re: 9mm Luger vs 9mm Parabellum   Sun May 09, 2010 2:49 pm

I did buy a replacement barrel for my Glock 19C from Lone Wolf and it's really cool. The open portion of the barrel that you see covering the chamber has A wolf etched on it and the SS barrel sticks out from the frame by about 3/8"
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PostSubject: Re: 9mm Luger vs 9mm Parabellum   Sun May 09, 2010 3:07 pm

Can you post a picture of what you are talking about. It would probably be cool to see.
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PostSubject: Re: 9mm Luger vs 9mm Parabellum   Sun May 09, 2010 3:24 pm

Yah, that sounds interesting what you are describing.
If you can post or find a picture of it already on the web to give us an idea.

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PostSubject: Re: 9mm Luger vs 9mm Parabellum   Sun May 09, 2010 4:06 pm

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PostSubject: Re: 9mm Luger vs 9mm Parabellum   Sun May 09, 2010 4:16 pm

Nice, let us know how it work. If it works as well as it looks.
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PostSubject: Re: 9mm Luger vs 9mm Parabellum   Mon May 10, 2010 11:28 am

I just had it at the range this morning and I do like it. It does change the the gun for the better I think. First of all I didn't notice any additional recoil and secondly the gun just feels tighter when fired. I noticed when I installed it that it fit a tad tighter than the factory barrel.
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PostSubject: Re: 9mm Luger vs 9mm Parabellum   Mon May 10, 2010 7:26 pm

This is the new non ported barrel you bought from Wholf?

Sounds like a great buy.
Did you happen to notice a price difference between the one you bought and a oem replacement from Glock?

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PostSubject: Re: 9mm Luger vs 9mm Parabellum   Tue May 11, 2010 10:33 am

Freeom,
That's correct. If you recall when I bought my G19 Compensated I thoght it was a good idea because it would reduce recoil. The problem was that I didn't have any one to bounce that idea off before I ordered it through Glock's military discount program. After using it at the range it dawned on me that the flash created by the porting holes would be a real handicap in my home at night if a BG broke in. I began to search for a replacement barrel and Lone Wolf was the one I chose. Cost was $106.00, and there's almost no muzzle flash.
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