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PostSubject: More on Fast & Furious   Thu Jul 21, 2011 3:49 pm


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ATF Florida Gun Probe Earns Congressional Scrutiny in Wake of 'Fast and Furious'
By Judson Berger

Published July 14, 2011
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March 10, 2006: Paramilitary soldiers hold up weapons during a ceremony to surrender their guns in La Mesa, Colombia.
Several lawmakers are questioning the Obama administration about whether the controversial "Fast and Furious" gunrunning probe may have had a cousin in Florida that resulted in guns being trafficked to Central America.

Rep. Gus Bilirakis, R-Fla., penned a letter Tuesday to Attorney General Eric Holder and ATF Acting Director Kenneth Melson inquiring about a program known as "Operation Castaway." Other top lawmakers are also starting to look into it, though ATF claims the program was above board and not similar to Operation Fast and Furious at all.



Kenneth Melson has been acting director of the ATF since 2009.

The Justice Department says Castaway was an anti-gun trafficking operation handled by an ATF division in Florida. It resulted last year in a slew of convictions for defendants the department claimed provided firearms linked to violent crimes around the world. But in light of questions surrounding the Fast and Furious probe out of ATF's Phoenix division, Bilirakis questioned whether Castaway bore the same suspicious hallmarks.

Fast and Furious came under fire for allegedly allowing guns to "walk" across the Mexico border in an attempt to track their migration into cartel hands. Weapons tied to the program were found at the scene of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry's murder last year.

Bilirakis expressed concern about reports that the strategy "may not have been limited to weapons trafficking to Mexico."

He asked Holder and Melson whether "similar programs included the possible trafficking of arms to dangerous criminal gangs in Honduras with the knowledge of the ATF's Tampa Field Division" and a Justice Department office, via Castaway.

Bilirakis' letter specifically asked whether the Tampa division participated in a "gun walking" scheme allowing guns to go to Honduras. He also asked whether ATF or DOJ know if any of the firearms ended up in the hands of the "notorious" MS-13 gang -- a violent gang spread across Central America, Mexico and the United States.

Court documents from the Operation Castaway takedown claim that at least five firearms from the illegal sales of the main suspect ended up later being connected to crimes, several in Puerto Rico. One pistol was recovered in Colombia after being used in a homicide.

But an ATF official told FoxNews.com that the investigation, which targeted Florida gun dealer Hugh Crumpler III, did not appear to be designed like Fast and Furious. Though Justice and ATF have not yet formally responded to Bilirakis, the official explained that ATF got involved in the Crumpler case after the fact, and was not using the investigation to track firearms sales across international lines.

"We became involved with Crumpler at the first opportunity of realizing that criminal activity was afoot," the official said. "Once we were able to put our case together, establish probable cause ... then at that point, we did so at the soonest opportunity to stop the illegal activity."

The official noted that the case is "complete," though two fugitives are still at large.

The 2010 plea agreement suggests ATF agents monitored him for just a few months before taking him in -- it does not describe any long-term effort to track firearms outside U.S. borders.

The lengthy court document states that the ATF noticed Crumpler's numerous purchases in a national firearms database -- it turned out he was later selling them at gun shows. According to the plea agreement, the ATF had an undercover agent buy from Crumpler and later observed the suspect at several gun shows in late 2009, selling to numerous buyers without a license. At one point, he told an undercover agent that he knew the firearms were making their way to Honduras.

By early 2010, ATF agents were seizing guns sold by Crumpler and within weeks confronted him, putting a stop to the operation.

Despite ATF's claims, the issue is starting to pop up on the radar screen of other lawmakers, including those leading the charge to find out more about Fast and Furious -- Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., and Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa.

"Senator Grassley is looking into the allegations and trying to get some firsthand information from people involved," Grassley spokeswoman Beth Levine told FoxNews.com.

Bilirakis apparently was alerted to Castaway by news reports, as well as calls received by his office.

An article on Examiner.com initially claimed the Tampa division was "walking guns" to Honduras in a way similar to Fast and Furious.

Bilirakis spokesman Creighton Welch said his boss saw the report, but also received "several calls from folks who I guess you could say were familiar with the situation in Tampa."

He declined to go into further detail about where the tips were coming from.

"We're placing a lot of firearms in potentially the wrong hands," Welch said. "There are a lot of unanswered questions for a potentially very dangerous situation."

Bilirakis was joined by Rep. Michael McCaul, R-Texas, and Rep. Candice Miller, R-Mich., in writing a separate letter seeking similar answers from Immigration and Customs Enforcement Director John Morton.

"We find it extremely troubling that the United States government would willfully allow weapons to be acquired by dangerous criminal and drug trafficking organizations, in direct contravention of our strategic and national interests," they wrote.

However, Crumpler's attorney told The Tampa Tribune that ATF agents "closely monitored" his client's activity, and he didn't think the guns made their way to Latin American criminals during the course of the probe



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PostSubject: Re: More on Fast & Furious   Fri Jul 22, 2011 6:02 am

Two things; consider the source for this story (FOX) and I told you several days ago that the agency was involved with the same type of program in many other locations!!! Your tax dollars at work again!!!

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PostSubject: Re: More on Fast & Furious   Fri Jul 22, 2011 1:30 pm

God bless them all!!!!!!!! These people are crazy!!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: More on Fast & Furious   Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:46 pm

Just cannot figure out why anyone would think it is okay to pull this crap with taxpayer money paying for it and paying their salaries!! That is what needs to stop, their jobs!!! JMHO!!

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PostSubject: Re: More on Fast & Furious   Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:08 am

It's all part of their stradegy. The demoncraps have become experts at decieptful practices.
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PostSubject: Re: More on Fast & Furious   Sat Sep 17, 2011 3:32 pm

I found this article today and though you may be interested in what I think could be the latest new news on this subject. Here is a portion of the article, and the link if you want to read more.

Let’s review: When we first learned about Fast and Furious, the news was that a number of assault rifles had been sold to straw purchasers. Soon, we learned that the number was approximately 2,500 and that some of those were .50 caliber sniper rifles. Then we learned that somewhere between 1,200 and 1,300 of the weapons were unaccounted for, and that the ATF had allowed another upstanding gentleman to walk grenade components into Mexico (I guess he ended up in Mexico: no one knows because the ATF lost him). And finally, we’re learning that just a few days ago, on our side of the border, U.S. Border Patrol Agents found rocket and grenade launchers, assault rifles, and C4 explosives.

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PostSubject: Re: More on Fast & Furious   Sat Sep 17, 2011 7:33 pm

Well it does appear that Little Hitler is attempting to bolster and support certain factions and at the same time is trying to tear down others! Need we name names on who he is trying to pull this subversive crap on? I think not and it is pretty darn clear in my mind and in this article also!! This stuff just turns my stomach! I cannot believe we have sunk to new lows such as this!! Disgusting!

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PostSubject: Re: More on Fast & Furious   Sun Sep 18, 2011 3:57 am

I know what you mean while reading this artical, it gave me the raised hair on the back of my neck treatment. It looks like they are trying to move forward with the small arms treaty with the commies from europe.
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PostSubject: Re: More on Fast & Furious   Sun Sep 18, 2011 5:28 am

I suppose it is a foregone conclusion that if Little Hitler can push the treaty through before he gets exiled to sand country that he will! If the treaty gets pushed through it is not a given that our Second Amendment rights will be extinguished because I have the opinion it would take a modification of our Constitution! That is something Little Hitler and his cronies are not nor ever will be capable of!

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PostSubject: Re: More on Fast & Furious   Sun Sep 18, 2011 2:36 pm

There are many on both sides of the aisle that are hunters and such and dont care much for this treaty.
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PostSubject: Re: More on Fast & Furious   Sun Sep 18, 2011 3:47 pm

It may be signed but I just do not see it being enforced in the good ole US of A!! Not gonna happen!! JMHO!!

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PostSubject: Re: More on Fast & Furious   Sun Sep 18, 2011 3:49 pm

If it gets signed we will see more blue helmets.
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PostSubject: Re: More on Fast & Furious   Sun Sep 18, 2011 4:13 pm

I like blue! Blue is the color of my CHL targets!!! I am getting in good practice with blue!! LMAO!!

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PostSubject: Re: More on Fast & Furious   Sun Sep 18, 2011 4:28 pm

What's a CHL??? You also like Blue Bell, I could not find any, I'm sitting here with a pint of ben and jerry's peanut brittle crunch. Yeah I know if it is not Blue Bell it isn't. LMAO
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PostSubject: Re: More on Fast & Furious   Sun Sep 18, 2011 4:31 pm

Concealed Handgun License!! DUH!!! I know! I need more pictures!!! LMAO!!

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PostSubject: Re: More on Fast & Furious   Sun Sep 18, 2011 4:50 pm

Ooooohhhhh. I did not know that. You dont have to yell at me. It's embaressing.
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PostSubject: Re: More on Fast & Furious   Sun Sep 18, 2011 5:12 pm

Not everyone has CHL's in their state! I forgot you guys don't do that up there!! Yet!! LMAO!!

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PostSubject: Re: More on Fast & Furious   Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:14 pm

Yes you forgot that I live in a pinko strong hold. You are soooo lucky that you live where you do. Even though it only gets below 100 degrees 2 months out of the year. I think I could get used to the heat.
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PostSubject: Re: More on Fast & Furious   Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:59 pm

Give it a little more time and you will see national right to carry concealed laws passed!! I believe we are not that far away!! JMHO!!

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PostSubject: Re: More on Fast & Furious   Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:30 pm

Secret recordings raise new questions in ATF 'Gunwalker' operation

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WASHINGTON - CBS News has obtained secretly recorded conversations that raise questions as to whether some evidence is being withheld in the murder of a Border Patrol agent.
MORE: ATF Fast and Furious secret audio recordings
ATF whistleblower called 'toxic' on secret tapes
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The tapes were recorded approximately mid-March 2011 by the primary gun dealer cooperating with ATF in its "Fast and Furious" operation: Andre Howard, owner of Lone Wolf Trading Company in Glendale, Arizona. He's talking with the lead case ATF case agent Hope MacAllister.
The tapes have been turned over to Congressional investigators and the Inspector General.

As CBS News first reported last February, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives allegedly allowed thousands of weapons to "walk" onto the streets without interdiction into the hands of suspected traffickers for Mexican drug cartels in its operation "Fast and Furious."

The conversations refer to a third weapon recovered at the murder scene of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.

Agent: I was ordered to let guns into Mexico

Court records have previously only mentioned two weapons: Romanian WASR "AK-47 type" assault rifles. Both were allegedly sold to suspects who were under ATF's watch as part of Fast and Furious.

Also, a ballistics report turned over to Congressional investigators only mentions the two WASR rifles. The ballistics report says it's inconclusive as to whether either of the WASR rifles fired the bullet that killed Terry.


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The cheese gets more binding as the Feds are covering up everythign they can but there is so much they can't get it all together!!! LMAO!! 3rd weapon - from DAllas or somewhere!!! OMG!! Bumbling idiots!!

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PostSubject: Re: More on Fast & Furious   Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:32 pm

The doj is refusing to co-operate will Congress, that in itself reaks from guilt. Nice going dims you jerk offs. It's nice to see CBS coming around to reporting true facts.
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PostSubject: Re: More on Fast & Furious   Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:31 pm

The farther this goes the madder the public is getting! They are already in danger of loosing all three branches of government and that is what they are fighting for now! To keep from loosing all three branches of the government in DC!!! JMHO!!

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PostSubject: Re: More on Fast & Furious   Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:44 pm

Wouldn't that be magnificent, to loose the whole ball of wax.
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PostSubject: Re: More on Fast & Furious   Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:34 pm

If the next 14 months continues on the same path the past 3 1/2 years have, that is exactly what will happen! I cannot do enough to urge it along that way!! LMAO!!

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PostSubject: Re: More on Fast & Furious   Thu Sep 22, 2011 4:15 pm

Good!!! Can think of anyone more deserveing.
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