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PostSubject: 12 states looking at an old doctrine on nulification from the 1700s   Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:21 pm


More states should get into this, nulification of healthcare and maybe succesion.


By JOHN MILLER, Associated Press – Wed Jan 26, 2:56 pm ETBOISE, Idaho – Republican lawmakers in nearly a dozen states are reaching into the dusty annals of American history to fight President Obama's health care overhaul.
They are introducing measures that hinge on "nullification," Thomas Jefferson's late 18th-century doctrine that purported to give states the ultimate say in constitutional matters.
GOP lawmakers introduced such a measure Wednesday in the Idaho House, and Alabama, Kansas, Maine, Missouri, Montana, Oregon, Nebraska, Texas and Wyoming are also talking about the idea.
The efforts are completely unconstitutional in the eyes of most legal scholars because the U.S. Constitution deems federal laws "the supreme law of the land." The Idaho attorney general has weighed in as well, branding nullification unconstitutional.
"There is no right to pick and choose which federal laws a state will follow," wrote Assistant Chief Deputy Attorney General Brian Kane.
Regardless of the very dubious constitutional nature of the efforts, the nullification push has become a rallying cry in conservative states at a time when anti-government angst is running high and "state's rights" are a popular belief among the tea party crowd.
Delegates at Idaho's Republican convention last year urged seizure of federal lands and resurrection of the gold standard. Conservatives in Montana lined up the out the door of a legislative committee room last week to speak in favor of a bill that would make sheriffs the supreme local authorities, another measure widely believed to be unconstitutional.
In Texas, a nullification proposal threatens state officials who don't comply with jail time and fines. Last year in Austin, an insurance salesman led a Texas State Capitol rally as protesters hoisted signs urging not just nullification, but "secession."
In Alabama, a version of nullification sponsored last year by Republican Sen. Scott Beason passed the Senate, but died in a Democrat-led House committee. He'll resurrect it this year.
"A lot people say, if the Supreme Court decides that it is constitutional, you have to live with it. My feeling is, the people should have the final say," Beason told The Associated Press on Tuesday. "Frankly, the only recourse people have is for the states to try to flex some sovereignty muscle."
Idaho is already one of 27 states suing over health care reform and its provision to eventually require people to buy insurance, but Gov. C.L. "Butch" Otter hinted in a Jan. 10 speech he may go further by pursuing nullification.
For philosophical guidance, many proponents look to Jefferson's words 211 years ago in which he fought against the expansion of federal power during an undeclared naval war against France.
In 1799, Jefferson wrote in the Kentucky Resolutions that "nullification ... is the rightful remedy." Jefferson created the doctrine to express his disgust with the Alien and Sedition Acts that were enacted by then-President John Adams during the war with France.
Idaho Republican Sen. Monty Pearce said the then-future president's words underpin nullification advocates' chief contention: States never relinquished final say over federal matters.
"He was at the Constitutional Convention," Pearce said. "He understood how this whole thing was going to be set up."
Actually, Jefferson was far away, in France, as the framers met in 1787 in Philadelphia to replace the Articles of Confederation.
And his beliefs on nullification were nothing more than his opinions — there's no such mention in the Constitution, said David Gray Adler, a constitutional scholar who directs the University of Idaho's McClure Center for Public Policy Research.
"There's nothing in the Constitution to suggest that the states are superior to the federal government," Adler said. "We have a long string of Supreme Court decisions that reject their theory."
Nullification has been invoked several times over the years — to no avail.
South Carolina wielded it in the 1830s to fight federal tariffs — and nearly provoked armed conflict. Historians see that state's "Nullification Crisis" in 1832 as a prelude to the Civil War.
In the 1950s, Arkansas defied the federal government on desegregation, prompting a 9-0 Supreme Court ruling that states were bound by federal law. Abolitionist Wisconsin's efforts to nullify the 1850 Fugitive Slave Act also were shot down.
And in a landmark 1819 case in Maryland, the Supreme Court underscored that states are subordinate to federal action.
At the Idaho Legislature, however, GOP lawmakers brandish a 306-page book by Kansas-based author Thomas Woods Jr., promoting nullification that tells them otherwise.
As a college student in 1994, Woods helped found the League of the South, an Alabama group the Southern Poverty Law Center says has become a "neo-Confederate group" seeking a second Southern secession. Woods told the AP last week he thinks states have a right of secession, but he doesn't support the Confederacy's return. He's no longer a member.
He argues in "Nullification: How to Resist Federal Tyranny in the 21st Century" that Jefferson was right: States created the federal government, and remain the final check-and-balance should the president, Congress and Supreme Court all get it wrong.
"I don't believe the Supreme Court or any body of fallible men are demigods," Woods said.
Idaho Rep. Vito Barbieri, R-Coeur d'Alene, is a sponsor of the measure introduced in the House State Affairs Committee on Wednesday. He doesn't share the view of constitutional scholars that "nullification" is a non-starter.
"If we decide it is settled law — that the federal government can do anything it wants against state priorities — we might as well just get rubber stamps," he said.
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AP writer Bob Johnson in Montgomery, Ala. contributed
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PostSubject: Re: 12 states looking at an old doctrine on nulification from the 1700s   Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:54 pm

I told you six months ago secession was an option that was being considered far and wide!!! Lookie lookie lookie!!! Here it comes and it is coming from more than one or two states! The idea that the states have the ultimate right to control the feds is an idea that has been around a long time and may just be the way to defeat the ignorant elitists!!! Such a bunch of arses!!!

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PostSubject: Re: 12 states looking at an old doctrine on nulification from the 1700s   Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:33 pm

Yeah well this crap is coming to a head, these asswipes in DC should take heed in this. If not this could become very ugly. I am posting a link to an article about monkey man and Arizona. It starts with this sentence. I only pasted one sentence to catch your curiosity and it is lengthy.

A plan in Arizona to require presidential candidates to prove their eligibility to occupy the Oval Office is approaching critical mass, even though it has just been introduced.

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PostSubject: Re: 12 states looking at an old doctrine on nulification from the 1700s   Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:58 pm

We had a bloody revolution over just such as this!!! When the bastards think they are above living by the same laws they pass for us to live by and they sit on the hill and dictate how it is going to be, it is time to run their arses out of town!! For good!!@! LMAO!!

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PostSubject: Re: 12 states looking at an old doctrine on nulification from the 1700s   Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:11 pm

+1 on that one, and the sooner the better.
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PostSubject: Re: 12 states looking at an old doctrine on nulification from the 1700s   Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:36 pm

I think it may be coming because they have not learned their lesson just yet! Hide and watch! It just might surprise you unless you are watching for it!!

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PostSubject: Re: 12 states looking at an old doctrine on nulification from the 1700s   Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:13 pm

I've been watching for it for a little while now. It wont be a surprise and I wont enjoy it. It is what it is. I'll just duck.
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PostSubject: Re: 12 states looking at an old doctrine on nulification from the 1700s   Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:04 pm

Stay tuned as it is heating up like never before!!

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PostSubject: Re: 12 states looking at an old doctrine on nulification from the 1700s   Sat Jan 29, 2011 4:13 am

That it is, this manipulative government that is now in place need to be given their papers, and it is not the walking papers. Their elimination papers from the human race papers. These people will have to be cast off of our soil. Set to europe or somewhere other than our homeland.
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PostSubject: Re: 12 states looking at an old doctrine on nulification from the 1700s   Sat Jan 29, 2011 5:11 am

I am thinking Africa would be too good for them!

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PostSubject: Re: 12 states looking at an old doctrine on nulification from the 1700s   Sat Jan 29, 2011 12:40 pm

I'm thinking more like the south pole. This way they will be too busy keeping warm to create anymore hate and discontent. LMAO
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PostSubject: Re: 12 states looking at an old doctrine on nulification from the 1700s   Sat Jan 29, 2011 6:07 pm

Probably would work better if it was at the south p[ole due to the temp freezing the bastards!!! LMAO!!

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PostSubject: Re: 12 states looking at an old doctrine on nulification from the 1700s   Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:25 am

Nothing like a comunity of freeze dried libtards. LOL
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PostSubject: Re: 12 states looking at an old doctrine on nulification from the 1700s   Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:46 am

Then they could be used for target practice after they were gone on to their great reward and we could see how many rounds it took to break them all apart!! That statistic might be valuable down the live!! LMAO!!

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PostSubject: Re: 12 states looking at an old doctrine on nulification from the 1700s   Sun Jan 30, 2011 7:44 am

That may be a fine shoot. Sign me up.


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PostSubject: Re: 12 states looking at an old doctrine on nulification from the 1700s   Sun Jan 30, 2011 12:55 pm

I just might enjoy that hunting trip!! Seems like it would be very enjoyable!! LMAO!!

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PostSubject: Re: 12 states looking at an old doctrine on nulification from the 1700s   Sun Jan 30, 2011 1:51 pm

I rather have them lively and on a run, and take a 600 yd. shot.
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PostSubject: Re: 12 states looking at an old doctrine on nulification from the 1700s   Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:33 am

I prefer the 100 to 150 yard shots!! Up close and personal!! I like to see the whites of their eyes!! LMAO!!

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PostSubject: Re: 12 states looking at an old doctrine on nulification from the 1700s   Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:16 am

That's good I suppose, but I like to get them off in the distance thinking they are out of range.Surprise surprise!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: 12 states looking at an old doctrine on nulification from the 1700s   Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:37 pm

I like for them to know it is coming and to know where it is coming from!!! Loo\k for the whites of their eyes!!! LMAO!!

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PostSubject: Re: 12 states looking at an old doctrine on nulification from the 1700s   Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:43 pm

If you want to see the whites of their eyes, then how about a calvery sabre?
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PostSubject: Re: 12 states looking at an old doctrine on nulification from the 1700s   Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:44 pm

I can see better than that!! That is up close and personal!! Not quite that close!!! LMAO!!

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PostSubject: Re: 12 states looking at an old doctrine on nulification from the 1700s   Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:55 pm

Yeah but that makes it real personal, something that has been lost since the invetion of the firearm. Guns make it too impersonal, thats why it so easy for all these nut jobs to go and kill all these people. I dont think they have the balls to use an edged weapon or their bare hands.
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PostSubject: Re: 12 states looking at an old doctrine on nulification from the 1700s   Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:19 pm

I can but as I said, I like it where they could see where it is coming from!! Don't want one of those that is a mile + in range and sure don't want to be at a sword's length. I do like 100 to 150 yards just fine and I can do a lot of damage in a little time from there!!

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PostSubject: Re: 12 states looking at an old doctrine on nulification from the 1700s   Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:45 pm

Ok you can have it your way. You can give ten good men a job to do and they all may do it in a differant way, but the bottom line is that the job gets done.
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