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PostSubject: Did U.S. agency smuggle guns to Mexico to justify its budget?   Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:06 pm

Did U.S. agency smuggle guns to Mexico to justify its budget?

Posted: January 22, 2011
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© 2011

The death of a U.S. Border Patrol agent north of Nogales, Ariz., on December 14, 2010 might turn out to be the death knell for the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, or ATF.
Allegations have surfaced suggesting that one of the guns used by Mexican
bandits during the firefight in which Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry
was killed might have been smuggled into Mexico with the knowing
assistance of ATF officials. If these allegations prove to be true, it
is quite possible that the long troubled agency could be dismantled.
Even if there proves to be no connection with Agent Terry's death, the
scrutiny generated by an investigation could crash the agency.

There are actually four separate but connected accusations
against ATF officials: First, that they intentionally arranged to have
hundreds of firearms "walked" across the U.S. border into Mexico.
Second, that they instructed U.S. gun dealers to proceed with
questionable and illegal sales of firearms to suspected gunrunners. Third, that they intentionally withheld information about U.S.-sanctioned gun smuggling from the Mexican
government. Fourth, that one of the guns ATF allowed or helped to be
smuggled into Mexico was involved in the death of Agent Terry.




The accusations first arose on an ATF insider Internet forum called [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], where suggestions of these possible misdeeds were characterized as rumors, speculation and "word on the street."

The forum is a gathering place for disgruntled ATF employees
frustrated with ATF management and aimed at rooting out waste, fraud,
abuse and managerial malfeasance.

After the initial rumors were picked up by Internet blogger Mike Vanderboegh of [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and David Codrea of [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
and Examiner news, more information began trickling out, and Codrea and
Vanderboegh began receiving independent and credible corroboration of
the rumors.

At this point the two claim that there are government employees
prepared to step forward with personal knowledge and documentation to
prove some or all of the accusations, but that the whistleblowers fear
reprisals and are seeking official protection from someone in Congress
before turning over their information. So far members of Congress are
running in the opposite direction.

The ATF has a long history of abuse, overreaching, show-boating
and deception. Repeated examples of botched raids, raids on wrong
addresses, bad shootings and wrongful prosecutions were brought out in
congressional testimony in the late 1970s, garnering the agency rebukes
and budget cuts from outraged members of Congress.

Accusations of individual agent abusiveness and managerial
incompetence continued through the '80s and '90s. In 1992 ATF initiated
the tragedy at Ruby Ridge in which Randy Weaver's wife Vicki and 14-year
old son Sammy were killed by federal agents and Weaver and his friend
Kevin Harris were both seriously wounded. A Federal Marshall was also
killed – all over an ATF accusation that Weaver had sold an informant
two shotguns with barrels a quarter-inch shorter than the law allows.

It was also ATF that instigated the assault on the Branch
Davidian Church outside Waco, Texas, in 1993, which resulted in the
deaths of 4 ATF agents and some 82 men, women and children. These two
incidents were later identified as the primary impetus for the 1995
terrorist bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City.

In recent years ATF has engaged in high-profile, expensive and
notably fruitless sting operations against the Hell's Angels and other
"outlaw" motorcycle clubs; and most recently they have been in the
spotlight as federal officials including Secretary of State Hillary
Clinton, Attorney General Eric Holder and President Barack Obama have
claimed that over 90 percent of Mexican crime guns were illegally
trafficked into Mexico from the U.S. That over-inflated hyperbole led to
the creation of Project Gunrunner, an ATF-led initiative that was
supposed to reduce arms trafficking across the border.

Last year the Justice Department Inspector General's office
issued a scathing report declaring Project Gunrunner a dismal failure.
ATF responded by requesting more money and manpower to beef up the
project and backed up the requests with new, better-supported
statistics.

Speculation abounds that the alleged funneling of guns into
Mexico by ATF (dubbed "Project Gunwalker") was done to bolster trace
numbers specifically to justify bigger budgets for Project Gunrunner
and/or to lend credibility to informants attempting to infiltrate gun
smuggling operations.

Whatever the objectives, if the allegations prove to be true, ATF
is not likely to survive. The agency has been without a confirmed
director for over 6 years. Their explosives operations are already being
absorbed by the FBI, and there have been other takeover rumbles from
the Department of Homeland Security and Immigration and Customs
Enforcement. The charges of concealing the smuggling operation from Mexican officials extend up to the highest levels of ATF leaving no place for officials to hide.

At this point everything hinges on whether some member of
Congress will step up and offer protection to the whistleblowers so the
facts can be brought out into the open.









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PostSubject: Re: Did U.S. agency smuggle guns to Mexico to justify its budget?   Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:12 pm

Very interesting article. I'm wondering if by running guns into Mexico, was it ordered to do so from a higher left-wing official in the government ,in order to start more regulations on the legal gunowners and gun shops here in the U.S. I would not put it past these scumbag libturds and other demoncraps.
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PostSubject: Re: Did U.S. agency smuggle guns to Mexico to justify its budget?   Mon Jan 24, 2011 6:32 pm

I also am interested in knowing as it might make a difference to find out who is pushing this crap! If it did come from the administration high up, there could be some real problems for them from a legal standpoint! I will continue to watch and if I hear more I will post it! It ain't looking good for the home team!!

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PostSubject: Re: Did U.S. agency smuggle guns to Mexico to justify its budget?   Tue Jan 25, 2011 10:39 am

Very interesting, I can recall all of those incidents and my thinking at the time was; Why are they pushing this to such a dreadful outcome." I could see it coming, why didn't they?
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PostSubject: Re: Did U.S. agency smuggle guns to Mexico to justify its budget?   Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:43 pm

I remember the Ruby Ridge and Branch Devidian incidents, and I could never figure out why they had to do what they did to those poor people. As it was happening, I remember the news saying all these bad things about them, and I could not see the justifcation of the governments actions. Especially the cold blooded killing by that sniper on the women and the baby. I opened my eyes to what our government is really like.
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PostSubject: Re: Did U.S. agency smuggle guns to Mexico to justify its budget?   Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:23 pm

UF---that's exactly how I remember it too. Why didn't they just wait them out, it was simple, eventually they would have to leave for some reason. But for some reason they decided to use deadly force on these people so they could force them to behave like they wanted them to but what happened was a massacers. No different that what we condemn African tribe leaders for doing. Or Sadamm Hussein, there's no difference. Our own government has slaughtered it's citizens for no reason what so ever. Who's being held responsible? After all they were people, human beings that were likely mis guided but that didn't make it OK to kill them. We don't have that authority.
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PostSubject: Re: Did U.S. agency smuggle guns to Mexico to justify its budget?   Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:00 pm

If I remember no one was held responcible for those debacles. Wasn't that janet reno that put the deed to them? After those two events, I dont see anything happening to the agents and their superiors for the gun running, either. It all comes down to double standards as far as our government and their agencies are concerned. Do as I say not as I do.
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PostSubject: Re: Did U.S. agency smuggle guns to Mexico to justify its budget?   Tue Jan 25, 2011 4:52 pm

The double standard is much worse than that but that is a decent description of what is going on! It is true that our government slaughtered a bunch of innocent citizens and nobody was exposed to the public and held responsible for their actions. I know a lot of their procedures were altered after the Davidian episode but I still do not think they were ever justified in doing it the way they did! We may never know the whole truth about what really happened!

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PostSubject: Re: Did U.S. agency smuggle guns to Mexico to justify its budget?   Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:18 pm

I suppose you're right, but accountabilty is important in order for the people to regain their trust of this government.
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PostSubject: Re: Did U.S. agency smuggle guns to Mexico to justify its budget?   Tue Jan 25, 2011 6:03 pm

That is exactly why I will never trust this bunch! Lying retards and thiefs, all of them! None of them are exempt!! JMHO!!

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PostSubject: Re: Did U.S. agency smuggle guns to Mexico to justify its budget?   Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:53 pm

Yeah, Janet Reno was the culprit responsible but no charges were ever filed. Think it couldn't happen to you? How many times a year do we hear about SWAT teams that invade the "wrong home" in the middle of the night?
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PostSubject: Re: Did U.S. agency smuggle guns to Mexico to justify its budget?   Wed Jan 26, 2011 3:07 pm

It happens more times than it ever should. The wrong people are running our local state and federal government. We are surrounded by idiots. It is a miracle that we haven't been invaded by a hostile nation. The older I get the more I see that these college boys dont know shit. No offense to AO, the majority of the collage boys in the U.S. for the past fifty years should be taken out back of the barn and eradicated.
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PostSubject: Re: Did U.S. agency smuggle guns to Mexico to justify its budget?   Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:34 pm

No offense taken as I had a life (45 years worth) prior to getting the JD and law license so I came to the profession from a total different viewpoint! I like to think I had a little common sense from the LEO background by the time I got to the JD! You are right about the educated idiots! It is truly a shame how they can be so smart but can't go out and change a flat tire on their car or replace a water filter on the icemaker!! Ridiculous!!!

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PostSubject: Re: Did U.S. agency smuggle guns to Mexico to justify its budget?   Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:06 am

I was hoping so, comeing up through the ranks is the only way. It is the only way that I will give respect. The thing is besides the flat tires and water filters, they cant even do their jobs correctly.
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